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Mike Collette
Hey everyone. Welcome back to the community conversation hosted by prototype training systems. I’m super excited to bring this back to all of you and I’m excited to have our guests slash former prototype of the month Chris Lacasse on today’s episode. Chris has been a member here at prototype for around five years now. And this is just an awesome episode he shares a lot of cool insight on how he approaches building habits and getting back into a consistent routine. get to learn a little about him and his background, how we grew up here and we got to fund two truths and a lie to finish up today’s episode. So check it out. Glad you’re here. Your episode starts right now.
Mike Collette
All right, everyone. Welcome back to the community conversation. I’m your host, Mike Colette. We have not done a committee conversation in quite some time. But I am excited to have our guests/prototype member/former prototype in the month Chris, pass on today’s prototype. Sorry, community conversation brought to you by prototype training systems. Chris super pumped to have you on today. We just got coffee the other day. I think we were in the middle of scheduling this. You were I think you’re emailing back and forth with Cayla, our administrator slash admin. And so yeah, man super pumped to have you on today.
Chris Lacasse
Yeah, excited to be here. Thanks.
Mike Collette
Yeah, you got it. So So Chris, I know you’ve listened to the episodes before, but we’d love to just hear your story. Just take us through, you know, how do you find prototype? You know, talk to us about your, your fitness journey. All that fun stuff. Your experience, just like laid out there.
Chris Lacasse
Sure. Yeah. Um, so my prototype journey. You know, like, like most people, I think I’ve had on again, off again, relationship with fitness. Throughout my life. As a young kid, I was very active, right. So I was constantly playing pickup basketball, football in the street, baseball at the park with friends. You know, it was back in the late 80s, early 90s. When you just go to the park and there’s people there. You just get games together and play. You’d be lucky if you had a baseball. It’s like, like the movie The Sandlot where? You’re running around the neighborhood trying to find a ball. Yeah, so I was very active. I’m the youngest of three boys. So I had a couple older brothers that were constantly dragging me along. Yeah, very athletic kid, tried to be moving constantly. So it was kind of like, you know, childhood up until college. Right? Where did you grow up? By the way, do you Well, I grew up in Western Massachusetts, so Chicopee, MA, so if anyone’s ever driven West, maybe on the way to New York, they’ve they’ve likely driven through Chicopee I went to school out in Westfield.
Mike Collette
So I’m familiar with Chicopee. I think there’s like a, some sort of like Marine base or something out there.
Chris Lacasse
That’s Dover. Yeah, yeah. West Dover Air Force Base.
Mike Collette
Yep. I remember going in visiting my friend who is in the Marines. He was stationed out and in Chicopee for for a little while. So that was my, my one time going into Chicopee. Was that time to visit him? I think we went to a bar that was basically about it.
Chris Lacasse
So anyway, yeah, it’s a it’s a reserve base. Now. It used to be an active base. And I always heard stories from people that back in the Cold War era. It was a pretty kind of scary thing, because this was like a prime target. West Dover, because it was such an active base. And you had essentially everything within, you know, I don’t know, miles and miles like people had to do those get under the desk drill sort of thing. But yeah, Chicopee a lot of the surrounding area around West Dover is housing that was owned by or lived in, by servicemembers and so so for many years, it was active, and then it turned into a Reserve Base. One of the schools I went to it was actually on the air force base that had formerly been a schools for for Air Force employees and their kids. So yeah, so it’s, it’s a interesting town, sort of like a very central location. It’s a city of I think, when I was growing up, there was about 55,000 people and it’s, it’s grown even even more since then. If I don’t know if we get to it later in this talk. I’ll tell you a little bit more of my childhood. But it’s, it’s definitely an interesting place where I grew up.
Mike Collette
So you said you’re one of the youngest of three of three kids super active grew up in Western Mass. What brought you out to this neck of the woods you live in? Yeah, right. You just got it. By the way, congratulations, or do you just move got a new house?
Chris Lacasse
Thank you. Yeah, I’m excited. So you’d see these cool bookshelves behind me. When I was looking at the house, I came into this office and I was like, Oh, cool. That would make a good zoom background. It’s like things you say now that you never used to say.
Mike Collette
But you like the background that people take a picture of the put as their background? Yeah, that he’s gonna fill it with pictures.
Chris Lacasse
Yeah, so I told my wife that I gotta find like joke books like where it will say something that looks like a real book, but it’ll like be something people have to figure out. Everybody here will be on the in on the joke, but maybe my coworkers won’t notice. Um, yeah, so we just moved to, to let maybe eight minutes away from where we lived. We moved to Grafton. So I’ll back up a little bit. I grew up in in Chicopee. I went to college at UMass Amherst, which is about 45 minutes north of Chicopee. When I graduated, I was looking for like a central location that was still close to family. But then also I could commute to like Boston or something like that for a job. Back when I was getting started, you had to commute to work like most of us, even some people still have to now I’m working remotely. But I wanted to be in close proximity to where there were software companies because I went to school for computer science. And so I wanted to go work for, you know, whatever company would hire me at the time. So we moved out to I moved out to Worcester, actually, and I moved to Sudbury I lived there for about a year and then I moved to Worcester. And then I met my wife, Heather, we decided we want to move in together, and then we moved to Grafton about a house. So Grafton, we chose Grafton, because it’s a perfectly central location. If you look at a map, you’re just like, where do I want to live? That’s perfectly point right there like alright, Grafton looks good. So we bought a house in Grafton thinking it was a starter house, ended up being our house where we had our kids raise their kids up until 10, and 8, and then we moved to this new house on my son’s birthday, actually. So he just turned 11 We closed on this house, and have been moving here for the past two weeks. So I was in the middle of doing a bunch of projects and stuff. And I was like, Oh, I have to go meet with Mike, so. I jumped on. Awesome.
Mike Collette
Yeah, the moving is a pain in the ass. Erin and I got her house in 2019. And I just remember I was just like, we live we are from an apartment to our house. It is even though we didn’t have that much stuff. I’m like, oh my god, I can’t imagine moving like, from a house to house especially with like kids and like all that other sort of stuff. So I’m sure that that was a lot, it’ll it’ll take a little bit longer to unpack all that stuff, the longer than it took us to unpack our, our stuff.
Chris Lacasse
So yeah, me and my wife had kind of like an argument over the right way to do it. She wanted to go through everything. On the other end, I just wanted to move everything here and then go through it. But we kind of compromised and figured it out. So we’ve gotten mostly removed knives and projects to fix up the old house and get ready to sell. But yeah, we’re excited about we got a lot more space, we went from a smaller house to a bigger house. So I could fit the entire contents of our old house in our garage. So you have all this space to work with, which makes it way easier to like clean things, organize things because you have staging areas where you can add things to in the old house. If we ever wanted to clean something or do a project. You were like playing that puzzle game where you only have one open square, you’re like, I gotta move something here and then I’m gonna move it there and but having more space is amazing. And I’m sure we’re gonna enjoy it a lot.
Mike Collette
Awesome. So what So when did you say you moved to Grafton? It was like 10 years,
Chris Lacasse
it was 2009.
Mike Collette
Okay, got it. And then and then you started becoming a Prototype a few years ago. And so what was your What was that, like? Talk to me about like, what were you doing before and all that sort of give us a kind of-
Chris Lacasse
Yeah, so I was telling you a little bit about my childhood, active childhood, I played football in high school, I wanted to play you know, all the sports, right? But my sport of choice was football. So I did that. And then once I graduated, then I didn’t have like organized sports to kind of continue on with. So I would, you know, I started getting gym memberships go to the gym workout. I would do that consistently for three, four months, maybe maybe a year at a time. And then I slowly taper off as things change. Something for me that’s always been kind of tough to balance is about whenever I’ve been doing really well at work where I’m like really dialed in and focused on work. I just forget about my fitness and I just everything else, like takes a backseat. And then the opposite then if I’m like getting into good shape, and I’m like doing well and I’m I’m active, then I’m like alright, we’re can take a backseat, I gotta go to the gym. That’s been like a decade long journey to figure out that balance. And I kind of feels like I’m there right now. But so anyway, yeah, so I started I think I prototype was maybe 2017 or 2018. I was going to an Anytime Fitness and I found a routine that was working for me had kind of downloaded some online programs that I could do. I don’t remember where they were from. And I was, you know, feeling pretty good. And then I don’t even remember how it happened. But like we came across, I came across like some YouTube videos of CrossFit. Like professional CrossFit. Like the I think it was like the, The Movie, they made one of the earlier movies where they like, profiled some of the CrossFit Games, and I was just like this is this is really cool. Yeah. It was just interesting. And like, you know, professional CrossFit really sucks you and it’s like it’s shockingly fun to watch. Because it’s just I don’t know, if people who’ve watched it. You just get sucked in. You know, it’s, it’s interesting. And so my wife and I watched some stuff. Yeah, I was like, you know, I want to try to So I Googled for the closest places, read some reviews, you guys had good reviews at CFP. So then I think I emailed back and forth ended up talking to Joe and then it came in for what was at the time called virtuosity sessions. And then I got started that way. My, my first couple classes were, were crazy. Actually, you know what, let me let me back up, I gotta tell you a story related to my starting CrossFit. Before I went to prototype, I went to CrossFit, New England, I worked worked on Steam Street in Natick, right across the Natick Mall. And CrossFit New England was really close to that. So decided to go into a class and try it out. And so I’m in there. And at this point I had done, like group training, I was familiar with a lot of the movements, things like box jumps and stuff. And so I’m in like, my first class, and I paid for like a five class session. And I’m in the class and I’m, you know, doing the movements, it’s hard, but I’m looking around, and there’s people that are like, doing things that look like they’re gonna hurt themselves. And I’m like, but then the coaches were not paying any attention at all. They were just soft talking to each other. So I finished that class, and I was like, I gotta find a different place. That’s when I searched and found CFP. So then fast forward during the virtuosity sessions, it was such an awesome program, because it was Joe Black was the coach who, who led me through those sessions. And it was very focused, very attentive, one on one sessions focused on each movement, building them progressively. You know, he didn’t care if I had experienced in a squat, he was going to, like, walk me through each point of the squat in detail. And we did that and I can’t remember how many sessions it was, but got through those and then then join my first classes after I was finished with those. I think my first class I think I had to cut the workout short, even because I my cardio fitness was just so bad. Like I was a runner, I was running at the time, like distance running, maybe like five, six miles at a time. So I felt like I was in good shape. But like getting into the high intensity CrossFit workout was just a whole different ballgame altogether. And so I would have to have to kind of cut short and Brian was coaching a lot of the classes that I was attending at the time. And what I loved about Brian, I still have about Brian is like, he’s he was focused on how I was doing. And he’d come over and he’d say, How are you feeling? And he told me to, to take a seat, like, you’re good, like you’ve had a good workout. Sit down, there’s always another class, right, like, so he would kind of like pay close attention and help me make sure that I was, you know, working out in a healthy way, rather than just pushing through something I wasn’t ready for. So that’s really stood out to me early on, was the coaching at prototype that, you know, each coach was paying really close attention to how I was doing, giving me real advice, real, real critiques. And so, you know, that’s what kind of got me hooked in the, in the beginning. At the time, when I first started a prototype, I was still commuting to Boston, actually. So not a spinster anymore company moved to Boston, I was commuting into Boston on the train. It just was not a sustainable like schedule, right. And so then I kind of indexed a bit more on focusing on work was doing really well at work again, and I was like, you know, I’m just gonna not go to the gym anymore. So I did that for another couple years. And then, and then think this was maybe right before the pandemic, I was in pretty bad shape again. I think I was like having a lot of heartburn when I was sleeping. I just wasn’t feeling good. And so I think I emailed like Brian and Joe and was like, hey, like, I need to get back into the gym. Can you sign me back up, and then again, I’m signing back up, come on, come to the next class. So and then since then, I’ve been pretty consistent. I had a little bit of a hiccup during the pandemic, or I didn’t want to come into the gym and also didn’t want to workout at home. But that was kind of a short thing. So I feel like I’ve been really consistent since that point. Funny story about the consistency thing is like, I’m very much a creature of habit, right? So I have to build consistent habits because as soon as I fall out of a habit, it’s easy to just ride that momentum and completely lose that entirely. I was watching this was I was watching a Joe Rogan podcast. This is before Joe before COVID. So Joe Rogan was like a little less crazy. Like I feel like he went really off the deep end after COVID but it was an interview with this guy, David Goggins. Have you heard of this guy?
Mike Collette
Oh, yeah, I’ve seen I’ve seen and I’ve, I’m very familiar with Goggins. I got a poster in my painting of him in my in my office at home. I can show you that another time.
Chris Lacasse
I think it’s a great podcast. But yeah, so the people, anyone, anyone listening should look this guy up. But I was just listening to this guy talk and it’s this is a guy who was was out of shape, and basically was like disgusted with himself. It’s like, you know, I gotta go do something and I don’t even know what what like order of things led to him becoming an ultra runner but he basically, you know, got into these like really extreme challenges where he’s running 50 Plus milers, doing all kinds of that I think he has like some pull up record. Like, he just did the most pull ups for like, such a long period of time anyway. So this guy is doing all this stuff. And I’m like, this guy doesn’t need to take like a rest day every two days. Why do I feel like I need to take a rest day or two days? And I feel like that’s what would kill the habit, right? I’d be like, alright, it just worked out a day, I’m sore. I should take a rest day tomorrow, my legs are sore. And that’s a habit killer. Or if I work out two or three days in a row, I’m like I worked out three days in a row. Why do I need to work out four days in a row? I should take a rest day. Right. And so like fitting all these rest days in was something that I felt like was inhibiting my momentum and keeping me from building the habit consistently. And then I was like, You know what this kid is, rest days, obviously not going to become an ultra runner. But at the same time, like he’s not just doing one CrossFit class a day, he’s running 50 miles and then doing it again a day later. Like the human body’s probably capable of a lot more than I’m giving it credit for my body’s capable of a lot more than I’m giving myself credit for. Why don’t I just try doing CrossFit every day this week, right. And I was like, let me just make a goal to just keep doing it daily. First thing I noticed when I started doing it is the programming is really balanced, right? Like you guys are putting a lot of time into make sure that if you’re coming five or six days, you’re not overtraining the same, you know, muscle groups, or whatever. So it worked out really well. And that was probably the thing that enabled me to get a consistent habit was basically saying, unless I’m sick or injured, I can come into the gym. And I can dial it back if I need to if I’m feeling tired, but I’m going to try to come in every day if I can. The question I was going to ask you, you answered it was like what was the difference between how you change your habit of consistency versus the past? And you answered it with this, basically, this mindset shift.
Mike Collette
I really liked what you just said, wrote it down is like this, this habit killer that like the rest days that you are deliberately taking up, you realized that it was impacting your ability to get into a good groove. And that like you take that rest day and then maybe life would happen and then it’s an extra rest day and then the weekend happens and then then it’s all of a sudden, it’s not just one day you’ve taken it’s like three or for whatever. It’s really interesting, like in and yeah, the back to The David Goggins. That podcast that he did with Joe Rogan is awesome. The book that I don’t know if you’ve read Can’t Hurt Me. That’s the book that he wrote, which is an awesome book. Have you read it? So check that out. And then there’s another cool book that this guy Jesse Itzler wrote called Living with the seal, which is a short read. It’s actually really funny. You should read that one first. It’s basically about Jesse Itzler who think he co founded net net jets or next jets or that like some he was like a old he was like a rapper like the 90s as well. He married the woman who started Spanx. Anyway, can you listen to the story, but it reached basically, well, the story goes is like he saw David Goggins at one of these ultra races, and he’s like, Who the hell is that guy? He’s like, super overweight, and he’s running on broken feet. And he’s like, bleeding everywhere. He’s like, he’s like, I want that guy to train me. So you live zoo had Goggins live with him for like, a month. And this anyway, it’s funny, because it’s like the stories of like, how, like, how he get it, we wake him up in the middle of night, and there’s like, what he would say to him. It’s fun. I remember listening to it on an on a plane. I was like, laughing I was like, audio is like laughing out loud listening to like they’re being narrated. So those are two books to the checkout. But yeah, that that’s so cool. That you you had that mindset shift. I’m curious. Because you mentioned a few things like, like, you know, your experience your first workouts, like, do you have like a favorite movement or favorite workout now that you’ve been doing this like enough over the past several years? Like, is there something that comes to mind or favorite like yeah, what’s what’s
Chris Lacasse
So I mean, my number one favorite movement is back squats. And the reason for that is it just gives me confidence. I feel like I have a really strong back squat. But that question has come up in class because The question of the day has repeatedly been, like if you could pick any workout, which one would it be, and one of my favorite workout CrossFit workouts, I think it was one of the open workouts we’ve done it a few times is, it’s a combination of rowing for calories and wall ball shots. And this is I don’t know, there’s something I like about that. I think because squats are a strong movement for me like wall ball shots, I can grind through them. And rowing is very strong for me. So like, running is hard. For me. That’s one of the hardest, like endurance things that I can do. I’m kind of a little bit like bigger body of really big legs. You know, I weigh 215 pounds. So like when I go for a run, like it’s like a lot of work for me. Rowing, I’m sitting down, like, I don’t have to carry my body. And I’m right there with power with my leg. So right there rolling and then wall ball shots, I can grind right through so that that workout right there is is like a really fun one. I think the last time we did that one or a variation on it, I pushed really hard and then had to lay on the ground for like 15 minutes after the workout. A few people came up and asked me if I was okay. I was like, I wanted to see how fast I could go.
Mike Collette
Yeah, that’s it’s cool man pushing the limits. I think that was 19 Five or 18 Five. But oh, as you know, what I think would have been rolling wall balls. I think no, it was 18.1 or 19.1. It was the first it was the first workout. And it was like 9019 for for 1440. I think it’s 1919 reps for like, 14 minutes. 15 minutes, 15 and AMRAP 9019, something like that. Oh, yeah. I think we’ve done a couple of variations that have been programmed in and it’s just a good like combination of movements. Yeah, they’re pretty, pretty gnarly. Another question I have for you is like, you know, since kind of getting into that consistent routine, like working out more like have you what are your goals? Or what are the things that you’re kind of like pushing towards, or things that you’re like you’re working on right now, or things that come to mind that kind of keep you motivated?
Chris Lacasse
Yeah. So I think once, once I’ve been consistently showing up doing the workouts, you just kind of noticed changes in your body where your body just feels stronger, you feel more confident. And like, for me, it doesn’t have anything to do with the way I look. I feel like one thing about like, your body and your image that I do like is like, when I’m wearing clothes, I feel more comfortable. So like, this is something a lot of guys probably understand. It’s like, when you’re overweight, you like put your pants on, and they don’t stay in place if you have a belly. So like, that’s super frustrating. And so like being in shape, you’re like, Okay, I’m comfortable, and I’m confident all the time in my clothes. Good. So like, that’s, it sounds like a silly thing. But it’s simple to say like as you go about your day, to not have to feel self conscious in any way about your body is I think a very empowering thing. But that’s, that’s more of like a, a minor benefit to me, like a more important thing is being ready for any kind of activity. Right. And I think that’s sort of a central thing with CrossFit too. When I first was getting started, even when I was in what I thought was good shape, or I felt like I was fit, I was not because I couldn’t sit down on the floor and like play with my son without discomfort, right. So I had like such tight hips tight lower back, that, you know, I could I could go out for a run and I would feel good about it, go to the gym and lift weights and feel good about it. But then I couldn’t do other types of movements that that most normal people could because it was so tight, because I was probably like doing squats at the gym, but then I wasn’t doing anything that helped with my mobility, no accessory movements at all. And so CrossFit, and the programming, you know, from like, going five days a week and sort of balance programming has really helped with mobility helped with like, lots of different things. Most importantly, being able to just get down on the floor or play with my kids, they’re getting older. Now they don’t wanna get on the floor, but maybe they want to go for a bike ride, maybe want to do something else. Something that that was really cool. Last year is my wife and I did it Triathalon. And what was cool about it is it you know, this wasn’t like a crazy endurance thing, right? Like it is a lot so when this was in the fall, we did a triathlon was a run bike run, it was a two mile run, 15 mile bike and a 5k which is a lot to do, but we didn’t have to train for it at all. Right, all I did was come into the gym, I didn’t do any specific cycling, I didn’t do any specific running, that just came in for the CrossFit workouts, and I could go do this event. And so like being ready for that being able to just sign up for something and go and have fun with people and do something that takes that kind of endurance. CrossFit does kind of give you that and so, being ready for anything. Whether it’s getting On the ground, playing with your kids, you know, sprinting after your kids outside in the yard, playing soccer in the backyard with the kids. Just being ready for all those things, is, I think, a really, really important thing. And that’s the most most important thing to me.
Mike Collette
Awesome, great, it’s a great answer. And just in the sense of like, I mean, a circle that you said, like, being able to sign up for something, have fun, basically, like, being prepared for the unknown is like one of the big elements of like CrossFit, but like having the capacity to do what you want to do when you want to do it is a whole nother thing, which is like sounds like you’re, you’re you’re you’re reaping the rewards of consistency, which is like, I think, just kind of been doing this for a long time, like consistency beats intensity, 10 times out of 10. And like, it’s just, it’s just cool to hear kind of like how your, your mindset shifted, and like, it’s a good lesson for anyone that’s listening to this is like, all it takes is basically like hearing that and then applying it. Like I think like that framework that you use, Chris could be really helpful for a lot of a lot of people that may you know, that may be struggling with that same sort of same sort of thing. So that was really cool. I appreciate you sharing that. I have some final questions for you. I’ve prepped you for this. I’m going to spoil the secrets, everyone out there two truths and a lie. So this is your opportunity to stop me. I think I’m one in three. If I remember my record correctly, it’s been quite some time since I played this. But you got to give me two truths. One lie, I got to choose which one I think is the lie out of the three. So don’t tell me what one is until after I guess. And then maybe we can explore some of those. Those answers a little bit. So I’m not sure if that’s a question. Maybe it is a question, but it’s a little game that we’re gonna. We’re gonna play right now. I’m curious. You get I’ve given you like some prep and see if you can stump me, what do we got?
Chris Lacasse
All right, I got two truths and a lie how I’ll go in no particular order here. So I have run two half marathons. That does not count as a marathon. Two separate events. I played football for 12 years. Organized football. American football isn’t a Europeans listening to this. And I have lived in Massachusetts my entire life.
Mike Collette
Okay, All these things sound like they’re true. But living in Massachusetts, your whole life there. You didn’t bring that up at all in this conversation, because you grew up in Chicopee. And then you went to UMass. And then from there moved to Sudbury. What was their Sudbury than to Grafton? And so I feel like that’s true. Unless you didn’t say something to me. At some point. Maybe you were born somewhere else. Which you didn’t mention that. So I’m going to chalk that up as a true football for 12 years. Now, you said you played in high school. So it’s four years there. Then you have middle school? Elementary School. So technically, it could be 12 years started playing in the kindergarten or the first grade. So that could be true. The running two half marathons. You didn’t say that? You ran a lot. You did this du-athalon. I want to say you played football for more or less than 12 years. That’s a lie.
Chris Lacasse
That’s correct
Mike Collette
All right. So excited. Um, I’m the I’m gonna go home and I’m going to brag about this to Erin. Okay, so Alright, so talk to me. So what did you say you did two half marathons. You didn’t bring that? So when was that?
Chris Lacasse
It was the I think I ran the first inaugural Western half a half marathon. And then I did a year after that. So two years in a row. I did that one.
Mike Collette
That’s awesome. And that when when was that?
Chris Lacasse
- Maybe? I don’t know when the first one was was quite a while ago.
Mike Collette
Okay. So yeah, about 10 plus years ago. And then. So you did grow up in, in Mass. So well, how many years? Did you play football?
Chris Lacasse
Only four years in high school? Four years? Yeah. So there’s a slightly funny story that has Yeah, I did want to play peewee football. But when I went down to try out they told me I was overweight. It was the strangest thing and then they turned me away. And I was like, No, I don’t want to guess I don’t want to play and then I ended up playing in high school. I played I was uh, you know, bigger at the time. I’m a normal size guy now. But as of when I was a kid, I was taller and bigger. So I played tight end and defensive and awesome.
Mike Collette
I played football. One year when I was in fifth grade, and so it’s Pop Warner. And I was heavier kid too. And they put me on the B team, which was like, one step above that would have been the heaviest team. But like, I was the only fifth grader and everyone else was like, sixth, seventh, eighth. There’s even like a couple of ninth graders on this Pop Warner team. And so I’m like me and two other kids were the youngest ones on the team. And I think it was like, second or third string like offensive lineman, and I did not have any fun. I got in great shape. But I had absolute zero fun. And I was like, I’m going back to. So anyway, to that point about like, the weight thing and how it can make it like not not want to play when you’re younger, I can totally, totally appreciate that. Chris, this has been awesome. I really appreciate you getting on today and talking through all this stuff. This is cool. I did not know a lot of this stuff in your journey. And so I appreciate you coming on and talking about this today. For everyone that’s out there listening right now appreciate you tuning in to community conversation. We’re getting back into this consistency back into this habit of getting these key conversations out to you every single week. You guys can check this out on Spotify or Apple podcasts. We also have this streaming on YouTube as well if you want to watch the actual video of this, but until next week, we’ll see you then and Chris, thank you again, my man. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Alright, got it.